Clearly Major Patton envisioned sustainment troops with more arms and legs than normal soldiers or perhaps they were not allowed to sleep? Alternatively, he might have assumed that nothing would ever break and that no enemy, who does get a vote BTW, or strategic situation, would ever force his ideal Division into positional warfare. This service and support structure is even less robust than the old US Light Division concept of the 1980s, which was great for strategic mobility, but not so good for endurance during combat operations.
One wonders if Major Patton had heard of tactical radios at all. I know they were AM only at this point, as FM communications were not developed until 1933, but they did have portable radio transmitters and receivers by this point, so the small size of the signal unit is very bad.
This is a Marine thing ain't it? Sigh. You're just jealous.
Everyone above all Hart went nutso on mobility after the Western Front !
We must call EVERY MOTION including Autonomic body functions "maneuver'.
[I realize you know all this but the reader may not, pardon me].
A Flank attack on a bunker with 1 element fixes and the other flank attacks isn't...maneuver. It's positional warfare with a flank attack.
Maneuver warfare means the maneuver itself causes the enemy to react to the maneuver, for instance if the bunker was evacuated because it's flank was exposed THAT is maneuver. When the Japanese put raiders in the British rear areas in Malaya and the British withdrew South that is maneuver war. The British reacted to the Japanese being in the rear areas by (poo) themselves and falling back.
Hannibal at Cannae isn't quite maneuver, Lake Tasmerine is maneuver - he got behind the Romans by going through a swamp and they had to chase him, most unwisely.
Having spoken the Truth, I shall now bow to the Magisterium's orthodoxy OF COURSE ALL MOVEMENT is maneuver.
Amen!
I must to the WashCloset aka WC, to "maneuver". Yes. Amen.
“This is a Marine thing ain't it? Sigh. You're just jealous.”
Not at all. I worked with Marines on several occasions over the course of many years in the US Army, but I was never in the USMC. George Patton is definitely in his own category as a Soldier, leader and tactician, but his force design efforts here have some issues.
“This may be the longest sentence I have written in a decade. Mark Twain would probably have said that this came from reading too many German books.” 🤣🤣🤣
Clearly Major Patton envisioned sustainment troops with more arms and legs than normal soldiers or perhaps they were not allowed to sleep? Alternatively, he might have assumed that nothing would ever break and that no enemy, who does get a vote BTW, or strategic situation, would ever force his ideal Division into positional warfare. This service and support structure is even less robust than the old US Light Division concept of the 1980s, which was great for strategic mobility, but not so good for endurance during combat operations.
One wonders if Major Patton had heard of tactical radios at all. I know they were AM only at this point, as FM communications were not developed until 1933, but they did have portable radio transmitters and receivers by this point, so the small size of the signal unit is very bad.
Redo!
O4 Lobotomy
Give George a break!
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Sure! Neck or arm?
This is a Marine thing ain't it? Sigh. You're just jealous.
Everyone above all Hart went nutso on mobility after the Western Front !
We must call EVERY MOTION including Autonomic body functions "maneuver'.
[I realize you know all this but the reader may not, pardon me].
A Flank attack on a bunker with 1 element fixes and the other flank attacks isn't...maneuver. It's positional warfare with a flank attack.
Maneuver warfare means the maneuver itself causes the enemy to react to the maneuver, for instance if the bunker was evacuated because it's flank was exposed THAT is maneuver. When the Japanese put raiders in the British rear areas in Malaya and the British withdrew South that is maneuver war. The British reacted to the Japanese being in the rear areas by (poo) themselves and falling back.
Hannibal at Cannae isn't quite maneuver, Lake Tasmerine is maneuver - he got behind the Romans by going through a swamp and they had to chase him, most unwisely.
Having spoken the Truth, I shall now bow to the Magisterium's orthodoxy OF COURSE ALL MOVEMENT is maneuver.
Amen!
I must to the WashCloset aka WC, to "maneuver". Yes. Amen.
And so on...
“This is a Marine thing ain't it? Sigh. You're just jealous.”
Not at all. I worked with Marines on several occasions over the course of many years in the US Army, but I was never in the USMC. George Patton is definitely in his own category as a Soldier, leader and tactician, but his force design efforts here have some issues.
“This may be the longest sentence I have written in a decade. Mark Twain would probably have said that this came from reading too many German books.” 🤣🤣🤣
However, it is a very clear one.
German- have you read Panzertruppen? 2 volumes
A gem
Panzertruppen: The Complete Guide... https://www.amazon.com/dp/0887409156?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
Incredible stuff. Nicely researched and well written.