Well, You chew his backside with the Company Gunny standing a few away. Reminding the Private that if he had been captured he would have been jeopardizing the defensive and offensive posture of the Company, Battalion and regiment. Next time he wants to go hunting he can check in with the Gunny. That all said, you wouldn’t want to hurt his initiative and when the ass chewing was over, let him know good work. Then get a further brief on what he did, what he saw and so forth and then organize a brief for the company, one way or the other to get the word sifting down to all hands. General Van Riper had a true story of a similar event in Vietnam. a young Lance Corporal and two others Marines unhappy with he pace of the war effort went out hunting on their own, luckily they were stopped before they got too far down the road out past the gate. It’s a great story. The Lance Corporal later on was killed in an action where he displayed uncommon valor and saved several Marines while giving up his own.
Well leadership is always a problem. We have some terrible leadership examples at the highest levels. Part of it comes from the “civilianization” of military. When people are going to graduate schools for MBA’s and so forth and not studying their craft of war fighting it is a bad sign. Check out the education Lt. General OP Smith had before WWII. Then the lessons learned at Asst. Division Commander in WWII allowed him, to be prepared for the breakout from the Chosin Reservoir. We can only imagine the ROE that got handed down this week to the Marines of 2/7…Go to LA and fix bayonets, don gas masks and oh by the way don’t retaliate when some nut bag paid for by a Sam Walton family billionairess and her NGO throws a brick at your head. Tell me if you have seen this before. Sarah Adam’s can be found on Shawn Ryan, as well as some active European intelligence assets that will raise the hair on the back of your neck. The young Marines, etc of today are very good and they all deserve the best leadership we can find. Lots needs to change.
Anyone having this much initiative… instead of freezing because they correctly fear any action will bring punishment or at least a screaming fit and investigations so the best solution is nothing… anyone who still goes and this far needs immediate promotion.
We can discuss GWOT now, if anyone needs some more data on the present situation.
Agreed, this young Marine showed a Hell of a lot of initiative, moral and physical courage. You don’t want to tamp down his personality (too much) and also you don’t want a lot of this going on. It could go badly wrong. I served well before the GWOT but am all ears on any thoughts or current scoop. I follow Sarah Adams “super bad” and her take is quite alarming.
Thank you. It’s a question of the problems we have, as opposed to this Pied Piper problem I would like to have- especially in leadership.
We DON’T have a soldier/Marine etc problem.
We have a leader problem, and we … no jest… need people who frankly despise lawyers (JAG, ROE) and break rules as a matter of necessity, if not as a matter of course. <
I’d love to say “good initiative, bad judgement” but I can’t argue with the results. Japanese POW’s are hard to come by and the intel potential is immense. Any attempt to discipline him is counterproductive given that the objective of USMC leadership is mission accomplishment and he’s batting 1.000.” So, I’m going to say, “great work, Marine. But we need to coordinate your efforts for maximum results. Two rules: don’t go out alone and don’t go out without telling me or section chief where you’re going. Understood? OK. Now, what do you think is your next best patrol route, Devil Dog?”
Well, You chew his backside with the Company Gunny standing a few away. Reminding the Private that if he had been captured he would have been jeopardizing the defensive and offensive posture of the Company, Battalion and regiment. Next time he wants to go hunting he can check in with the Gunny. That all said, you wouldn’t want to hurt his initiative and when the ass chewing was over, let him know good work. Then get a further brief on what he did, what he saw and so forth and then organize a brief for the company, one way or the other to get the word sifting down to all hands. General Van Riper had a true story of a similar event in Vietnam. a young Lance Corporal and two others Marines unhappy with he pace of the war effort went out hunting on their own, luckily they were stopped before they got too far down the road out past the gate. It’s a great story. The Lance Corporal later on was killed in an action where he displayed uncommon valor and saved several Marines while giving up his own.
Well leadership is always a problem. We have some terrible leadership examples at the highest levels. Part of it comes from the “civilianization” of military. When people are going to graduate schools for MBA’s and so forth and not studying their craft of war fighting it is a bad sign. Check out the education Lt. General OP Smith had before WWII. Then the lessons learned at Asst. Division Commander in WWII allowed him, to be prepared for the breakout from the Chosin Reservoir. We can only imagine the ROE that got handed down this week to the Marines of 2/7…Go to LA and fix bayonets, don gas masks and oh by the way don’t retaliate when some nut bag paid for by a Sam Walton family billionairess and her NGO throws a brick at your head. Tell me if you have seen this before. Sarah Adam’s can be found on Shawn Ryan, as well as some active European intelligence assets that will raise the hair on the back of your neck. The young Marines, etc of today are very good and they all deserve the best leadership we can find. Lots needs to change.
I don’t think I’d chew too hard. Not these days.
In fact not at all.
Promote and decorate.
Anyone having this much initiative… instead of freezing because they correctly fear any action will bring punishment or at least a screaming fit and investigations so the best solution is nothing… anyone who still goes and this far needs immediate promotion.
We can discuss GWOT now, if anyone needs some more data on the present situation.
Agreed, this young Marine showed a Hell of a lot of initiative, moral and physical courage. You don’t want to tamp down his personality (too much) and also you don’t want a lot of this going on. It could go badly wrong. I served well before the GWOT but am all ears on any thoughts or current scoop. I follow Sarah Adams “super bad” and her take is quite alarming.
Thank you. It’s a question of the problems we have, as opposed to this Pied Piper problem I would like to have- especially in leadership.
We DON’T have a soldier/Marine etc problem.
We have a leader problem, and we … no jest… need people who frankly despise lawyers (JAG, ROE) and break rules as a matter of necessity, if not as a matter of course. <
^ I understand what I just said.
That’s what time it is.
I will check out super bad.
Thanks
I’d love to say “good initiative, bad judgement” but I can’t argue with the results. Japanese POW’s are hard to come by and the intel potential is immense. Any attempt to discipline him is counterproductive given that the objective of USMC leadership is mission accomplishment and he’s batting 1.000.” So, I’m going to say, “great work, Marine. But we need to coordinate your efforts for maximum results. Two rules: don’t go out alone and don’t go out without telling me or section chief where you’re going. Understood? OK. Now, what do you think is your next best patrol route, Devil Dog?”
It worked.
No punishment.
Promote and decorate.